Can EVs ever achieve true parity with ICE vehicles? Do they even need to?

tesla would be the most profitable ice automaker in the world

“Tesla’s long-term competitive advantage will be manufacturing because all cars will be electric.”

Elon Musk
At first glance, you may wonder if this article is anti-EV. It’s not, quite the contrary. But it is intended to open some discussion, and it includes a plea for help.

My opening questions are these. Can EVs ever reach true parity with ICE vehicles and do they even need to? I think the short answers to both questions are, probably not and probably not.

EVs subsidized by gas car sales

Tesla has been able to garner impressive margins and profitability. It’s done this while making a vehicle type that Stellantis CEO even recently complained would hurt the industry. He was, in essence, complaining that profitability would be seriously hurt by being pushed into manufacturing and selling EVs.

Back in 2017 – 2019, Bob Lutz infamously proclaimed that Tesla was losing money on every vehicle they sold. (If you want a good chuckle, watch a few of those Tesla-centered interviews with Mr. Lutz.) He predicted that Tesla would fail as a company. He proclaimed that it was only the subsidizing revenue from gas-burning cars that made electric vehicle sales possible. Tesla didn’t have that, so it was doomed.

Of course, Mr. Lutz made his statements based on his own experiences. He didn’t know the inside workings of Tesla. Just looking at the situation from the outside it is very understandable why these kinds of statements have been made. It doesn’t seem feasible to make a profit on a vehicle that has what amounts to a $7,000 – $10,000 “gas tank”. How could it? How could that kind of vehicle ever be sold profitably? And yet Tesla has become solidly profitable. How is this possible? I suspect there are three reasons that explain its success.

A premium price

First, Tesla is the hot auto brand. It sells every car it can make, no problem. Demand is so high for its products that customers wait months to get their vehicle (in some cases eight months or more). And this is true even after several recent price hikes. Tesla is able to charge a premium price for its products. This premium price aids Tesla in being profitable. However, by itself, this premium price would not be enough. Without the other two factors coming to play Tesla’s vehicles would not make a strong margin.

Manufacturing efficiency

Second, I suspect that Tesla has been able to tweak quite a lot of costs out of the build of its vehicles. It’s been able to remove costs here and there to compensate for the high cost of the energy storage system (batteries). Cost-saving improvements continue to be implemented ongoing. Some of these innovations are well known, things such as the very publicized mega-castings. I suspect though that there are plenty of measures that are not as well known.

All these cost savings combine to make Tesla’s vehicles profitable, even with a very expensive “gas tank”. I suspect that taking these cumulative cost savings into account, if Tesla were to make ICE vehicles it would be the most profitable ICE automaker in the world. Thankfully though it only makes EVs. It’s likely that this focus has pushed Tesla to profitability. Its horizon focus has allowed Tesla to move the industry forward and achieve formidable EV scale.

Savings on EV drivetrains

Third, Tesla’s strong vehicle margin can be explained by the comparatively lower cost of electric drivetrains versus their ICE counterparts. EV motors and overall drivetrains are less expensive to build than combustion engines. There is much less gearing required for an EV and there is no exhaust system.

These lower costs help offset some of the high costs of the energy storage medium (batteries). The one question though is, how much comparative savings is there? What is the exact dollar savings of an EV powertrain (not including the batteries) vs an ICE powertrain? Knowing the answer to that question would be very telling.

I wish we had the answer.

What about EV parity?

Much to-do has been made of getting battery costs below $100 (US) per kWh. This price point has been touted as the magic, silver bullet that makes EVs cost parity with IC vehicles. But is this really so? Does $100 per kWh make battery storage, and so, EVs on parity with ICE vehicles?

Many IC vehicles can travel over 400 miles on a single fill-up. In order for an EV to be on range parity and do the same, it would require a 100 kWh to 120 kWh battery pack. That would mean that the energy storage system would cost $10,000 to $12,000.

Are there sufficient savings in an electric drivetrain to cover that high cost?

From what I’m able to discover, even the more expensive IC powertrains, end to end, don’t cost that much (I’m talking average vehicles, not supercars). Even if we suppose that the cost per kWh can fall as low as $50 that would still be more than $5,000 just for the power storage alone. That’s still more expensive than many lower-end IC powertrains. So, where is the parity?

But, I hear you say, EVs don’t have to have 100 kWh batteries. With that comment, we arrive at the other opening question. Do EVs even need to be on range parity with ICE vehicles? Probably not.

Looking down the road, we may see a future with a proliferation of EV charging points. As I’ve written before, while permitting and building an EV charging point may take some hurdle jumping, it’s not on the same level as adding a gasoline pump. The barriers to entry are low enough that Mcdonald’s, Walmart, Walgreens and many other retail businesses can consider installing EV charging at their locations (as demand comes on).

We can look to a future where we rarely make a special trip to add energy to our vehicles (trips to gas stations). Rather, it’s something that is mostly done passively while the vehicle is not in active use. Home charging, for example, is and will be an option, and this will likely expand over time to multi-family dwellings. And on road trips, while we may decide to look for a super-fast charger, we may instead just choose to make a quick stop almost anywhere and add 40 (or more) miles of range.

With this possibility in mind, I can see that a modest EV battery pack may be acceptable to a large number of people. I foresee a near-term market opportunity for three tiers of battery storage: short, standard, and long-range. (Please note: I’m describing non-truck passenger vehicles here. Trucks will have their own set of tiers.)

Short-range

I perceive that millions of people will be satisfied with an EV that has about a 60 kWh (usable) battery pack. I know that this is currently considered a “standard range” EV. But as battery costs come down this will be considered a short-range economy car.

This battery size can dependably allow about two and a half hours of motorway driving before needing a charge. This will be sufficient to pass as an economy-level vehicle. The range is plenty for use around town and enough for the occasional longer trip. The addressable market for this type of vehicle is significant but, in my view, it will be smaller than the market for what I’m calling the standard range vehicle.

Standard-range

The bulk of the market will want an EV with about a 90 kWh (usable) battery pack. This battery size will comfortably provide about four hours of motorway driving before needing a charge.

This is plenty of range for all driving needs, particularly as the charging infrastructure is built out as I’ve described. With this type of vehicle, a road trip will be easily done with just three convenient stops during the driving day. I described this in my piece The EV Roadtrip Of The Future. Most people will find this the vehicle of choice.

It is true that this vehicle will not have range parity with ICE vehicles. I am taking the stance that that is OK. Given that things progress, as they likely will, that perfect range parity is not needed. Most people will discover that 300-plus miles of dependable range is plenty, not only for all daily driving, but also for long-distance trips.

Long-range

A small group of high-end users will find their joy with around 120 kWh (usable) battery pack EVs. These scrupulous customers will willingly pay the premium to have the extra range. This vehicle will allow owners to dependably drive-straight-through for up to six hours. This vehicle will have full range parity with its ICE counterparts but it will cost more and will be on cost parity only with its high-end ICE counterparts.

Cost parity?

Experts believe that by the end of this decade, battery pack costs could fall below $40 per kWh (in 2021 dollars). As this happens, the 60 kWh EV may achieve cost parity with economy IC vehicles. And a 90 kWh EV could eventually reach cost parity with midrange ICE vehicles. Or could it?

We’re brought back around to my first question. As mentioned, we are sure that electric motors and the other EV powertrain components (sans batteries) cost less than IC powertrains. But just how much inherent savings is there in an electric drivetrain, $2,000, $4,000, $6,000? Again, I wish we knew for sure.

Sadly, the one person and organization that could best answer this question are silent on the topic. Over a year ago I emailed Sandy Munro asking him for his best guess of the cost of an IC powertrain vs the cost of an EV powertrain, sans batteries. After a couple of exchanges, including a promise to do a video on the topic, he went silent. (He mentioned at one point something about hate mail, not sure what he meant by that.)

I wish we knew the answer to this question. Here is my plea.

If you know the answer to the question – or know someone who does and is willing to speak out about it – please leave a comment below or contact me at my public email address. Please, no mere conjecture, that doesn’t do us any good.

What are your two cents about EV manufacturing and EV parity? Leave a comment below.

Keyword: Tesla Would Be the Most Profitable ICE Automaker In The World

CAR'S NEWS RELATED

Tesla Cybertruck ‘Basecamp’ tent, solar, and beast mode, leak through app

Tesla Cybertruck options and accessories have leaked through a mobile app update revealing a ‘Basecamp’ tent, solar option, and new “Beast mode”. We are just a day away from getting all the details about the Cybertruck direct from Tesla, but a leak is now giving us some details ahead ...

View more: Tesla Cybertruck ‘Basecamp’ tent, solar, and beast mode, leak through app

Taiwanese Tesla supplier Hota retools supply chain with first US factory

Companies Hota Industrial Mfg. Co Ltd Ford Motor Co General Motors Co TAICHUNG, Taiwan, Nov 29 (Reuters) – For years, Hota Industrial Mfg. Co has made gears, shafts and other auto parts in Taiwan and shipped them to large foreign carmakers such as Tesla (TSLA.O), Ford Motor (F.N) and ...

View more: Taiwanese Tesla supplier Hota retools supply chain with first US factory

Tesla Cybertruck’s ‘Beast Mode’, Trim Details Uncovered By Software Developer

A developer who deconstructed the Tesla app also revealed that the pickup will come in two trim levels.

View more: Tesla Cybertruck’s ‘Beast Mode’, Trim Details Uncovered By Software Developer

Mazda CEO Says Electric Vehicles (Other Than Teslas) are “Not Taking Off”

Mazda’s Chief Operating Officer, Masahiro Moro, has expressed some frustrations that the company’s battery-electric lineup is struggling to gain traction, stating that any EV, other than a Tesla, simply isn’t popular with buyers. In a surprisingly candid interview with Fortune, Moro said that “EV is an absolutely important technology, and ...

View more: Mazda CEO Says Electric Vehicles (Other Than Teslas) are “Not Taking Off”

Closer look at Tesla Cybertruck – should we be concerned?

We get a closer look at the Tesla Cybertruck with one of the units the automaker is now displaying in its showrooms. Should we be concerned about the build quality? Much has been said about the Cybertruck build quality even before the truck has made it to market. We ...

View more: Closer look at Tesla Cybertruck – should we be concerned?

Tired Of Waiting For Your Cybertruck? You Can Now Lease A Rivian R1T

Photo: Rivian Rivian finally started offering leases for its electric R1T pickup in 14 states on Monday, and these leases are eligible for the full $7500 federal EV lease credit – in contrast to the $3750 credit that Rivian buyers are eligible for. The lucky residents of Arizona, California, ...

View more: Tired Of Waiting For Your Cybertruck? You Can Now Lease A Rivian R1T

Even A Tesla Cybertruck Prototype Can't Mess With San Francisco Parking Enforcement

Screenshot: Tesla East Bay Fremont on Twitter There have been a lot of Tesla Cybertruck ‘release candidates’ on the back of tow trucks lately, but they’ve all been related to breakdowns. This time a Cybertruck driver parked in the wrong place and the city of San Francisco brought down ...

View more: Even A Tesla Cybertruck Prototype Can't Mess With San Francisco Parking Enforcement

Tesla Raises Insurance Rates For Drivers Who Use 'Track Mode' On The Track

Take "Track Mode" literally, and you get punished by Tesla's insurance algorithm.

View more: Tesla Raises Insurance Rates For Drivers Who Use 'Track Mode' On The Track

Tesla Confirms A New Model 3 Performance Is On The Way

Tesla increases Cybertruck pre-order deposit, but reverts right away

Slow Cybertruck Production Will Cost Tesla 'Blood, Sweat and Tears'

The Tesla Cybertruck Isn't Even On Sale Yet But Somehow One Got Impounded

Tesla sues Sweden’s transport agency, and gets a small win

Tesla on two wheels? India's Ola Electric feels the strains of success

I Saw The Tesla Cybertruck Up Close. My Jaw's Still On The Floor

Tesla beats US claim that it fired factory workers amid union campaign

Tesla spotted building a fleet of over 25 Cybertrucks ahead of the launch

Tesla Wins Suit Against Sweden Over Union Solidarity

Volkswagen is ‘no longer competitive,’ job cuts intensify to keep up with Tesla

Tesla Cybertruck Delivery Event Will Start Nov. 30 Around 2 P.M. EST

OTHER CAR NEWS

; Top List in the World https://www.pinterest.com/newstopcar/pins/
Top Best Sushi Restaurants in SeoulTop Best Caribbean HoneymoonsTop Most Beautiful Islands in PeruTop Best Outdoor Grill BrandsTop Best Global Seafood RestaurantsTop Foods to Boost Your Immune SystemTop Best Foods to Fight HemorrhoidsTop Foods That Pack More Potassium Than a BananaTop Best Healthy Foods to Gain Weight FastTop Best Cosmetic Brands in the U.STop Best Destinations for Food Lovers in EuropeTop Best Foods High in Vitamin ATop Best Foods to Lower Your Blood SugarTop Best Things to Do in LouisianaTop Best Cities to Visit in New YorkTop Best Makeup Addresses In PennsylvaniaTop Reasons to Visit NorwayTop Most Beautiful Islands In The WorldTop Best Law Universities in the WorldTop Richest Sportsmen In The WorldTop Biggest Aquariums In The WorldTop Best Peruvian Restaurants In MiamiTop Best Road Trips From MiamiTop Best Places to Visit in MarylandTop Best Places to Visit in North CarolinaTop Best Electric Cars For KidsTop Best Swedish Brands in The USTop Best Skincare Brands in AmericaTop Best American Lipstick BrandsTop Michelin-starred Restaurants in MiamiTop Best Secluded Getaways From MiamiTop Best Things To Do On A Rainy Day In MiamiTop Most Instagrammable Places In MiamiTop Interesting Facts about FlorenceTop Facts About The First Roman Emperor - AugustusTop Best Japanese FoodsTop Most Beautiful Historical Sites in IsraelTop Best Places To Visit In Holy SeeTop Best Hawaiian IslandsTop Reasons to Visit PortugalTop Best Hotels In L.A. With Free Wi-FiTop Best Scenic Drives in MiamiTop Best Vegan Restaurants in BerlinTop Most Interesting Attractions In WalesTop Health Benefits of a Vegan DietTop Best Thai Restaurant in Las VegasTop Most Beautiful Forests in SwitzerlandTop Best Global Universities in GermanyTop Most Beautiful Lakes in GuyanaTop Best Things To Do in IdahoTop Things to Know Before Traveling to North MacedoniaTop Best German Sunglasses BrandsTop Highest Mountains In FranceTop Biggest Hydroelectric Plants in AmericaTop Best Spa Hotels in NYCTop The World's Scariest BridgeTop Largest Hotels In AmericaTop Most Famous Festivals in JordanTop Best European Restaurants in MunichTop Best Japanese Hiking Boot BrandsTop Best Universities in PolandTop Best Tips for Surfing the Web Safely and AnonymouslyTop Most Valuable Football Clubs in EuropeTop Highest Mountains In ColombiaTop Real-Life Characters of Texas RisingTop Best Beaches in GuatelamaTop Things About DR Congo You Should KnowTop Best Korean Reality & Variety ShowsTop Best RockstarsTop Most Beautiful Waterfalls in GermanyTop Best Fountain Pen Ink BrandsTop Best European Restaurants in ChicagoTop Best Fighter Jets in the WorldTop Best Three-Wheel MotorcyclesTop Most Beautiful Lakes in ManitobaTop Best Dive Sites in VenezuelaTop Best Websites For Art StudentsTop Best Japanese Instant Noodle BrandsTop Best Comedy Manhwa (Webtoons)Top Best Japanese Sunglasses BrandsTop Most Expensive Air Jordan SneakersTop Health Benefits of CucumberTop Famous Universities in SwedenTop Most Popular Films Starring Jo Jung-sukTop Interesting Facts about CougarsTop Best Hospitals for Hip Replacement in the USATop Most Expensive DefendersTop Health Benefits of GooseberriesTop Health Benefits of ParsnipsTop Best Foods and Drinks in LondonTop Health Benefits of Rosehip TeaTop Best Air Fryers for Low-fat CookingTop Most Asked Teacher Interview Questions with AnswersTop Best Shopping Malls in ZurichTop The Most Beautiful Botanical Gardens In L.A.Top Best Mexican Restaurants in Miami for Carb-loading rightTop Best Energy Companies in GermanyTop Best Garage HeatersTop Largest Banks in IrelandTop Leading Provider - Audit and Assurance In The USTop Best Jewelry Brands in IndiaTop Prettiest Streets in the UKTop Best Lakes to Visit in TunisiaTop Highest Mountains in Israel